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Brad Pierce

Most economists would agree that the best measure of the health of an economy is growth. Yet growth cannot go on forever if it means consuming ever more of a finite world.

Couldn't we devise an economic system that embraces markets, competition, and free trade, but which doesn't depend on the growth of material consumption?

Tommy Kelly

@Brad,
Thanks for the comment. But couldn't a consumption-limited environment suffer from the same problem? My point -- that sometimes the fears we have that stop us consuming (or investing) are both unfounded, and infectious -- isn't applicable only to unbridled capitalism (whatever that is). In a consumption-limited environment, wouldn't it still be possible, as in the video, for someone to cry, "My god, something awful's going to happen!!"? After all, a herd of elephants could still stampede at a single mouse.

Brad Pierce

I'd agree that fear that can be infectious, unfounded, paralyzing/stampeding, and difficult to resist. And sometimes that's exactly why it's a useful instinct sending a signal that you need to prepare yourself for trouble.

For example, if the stampede is starting, you'd better get ready to run, or you're going to get trampled. Just look at a chart of the DJIA for the last 6 months.

Bindesh Patel

Great Post - if only the so-called experts in finance and government would recognize this - and oh, let's not forget the media who are having a field day fanning the flames. When everything is going good and the world is at peace, the media has nothing to talk about leading to less viewers.

Spending away in Silicon Valley ...

Tommy Kelly

@Brad,
It's true that even an irrational stampede is a stampede. As you say in your 0-1-2 post, the 100th person in trend doesn't add much more momentum. The corollary is, subtracting one person from a panic doesn't stop the panic. Also, there's a bit of a Prisoner's Dilemma going on. If the panic was genuinely to subside, the selfish actor could still hold onto their money, relying on everyone else's spending to free up the economy.

But in the days of the internet, strange, viral things can happen with crowds. The slashdot effect is an example. Maybe that could take place with spending. If everyone who read this decided both to make their fear-less purchase and to convince three or four other people to do the same, the effect could grow large very quickly. I'm not pinning my hopes on that though.

But I am still going to buy that PC! :-)

Tommy Kelly

@Bindesh,
The media do indeed seem to be a key part of the cycle. Only this morning, CNNMoney have this: http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/02/markets/stockswatch/index.htm. The headling is "Stocks Set To Falter". So not only are we hearing of gloomy near past events, we're also getting predictions of gloomy impending events. If that's not a self-fulfilling prophecy, I don't know what is.

Gordon McGregor

just needs more articles like this ( http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/02/monetary-policy-recovery-opinions-columnists_0203_wesbury_stein.html?feed=rss_popstories )that say we've pretty much turned the corner and things are getting better.

Brad Pierce

According to Amartya Sen in http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22490 ,

It is hard to ignore the fact that today, in addition to the Keynesian effects of mutually reinforced decline, we are strongly in the presence of "errors of...undue pessimism."

and

One of the problems that the Obama administration has to deal with is that the real crisis, arising from financial mismanagement and other transgressions, has become many times magnified by a psychological collapse.

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